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Yet another company hates Internet Exploder
Thursday, February 25, 2010 at 8:46 pm
Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted)

Valve Software has a beta of a new version of their "Steam" gaming engine out.
They dropped the Internet Explorer rendering engine (Trident)
in favor of the WebKit engine (used by e.g. Google Chrome).
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/02/25/0640233&threshold=4
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/02/25/0640233&threshold=4#31270998
cache 
of  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Acid3#Trident_-_Internet_Explorer


...and, oh yeah, they hate Win9x too:
http://steamreview.org/posts/win98supportends/


On an interesting note,
they took something that used to work quite well under WINE
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=1554
and made it do considerably worse.
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=19444
(It appears that some guys have already figured out some tricks
with one guy showing a jump from awful compatibility to pretty good.)

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re: Yet another company hates Internet Exploder
Sunday, February 28, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Posted by Arminius (334 messages posted)

Sounds to me like they may be cutting their own throats if these stats are anything 
to go by.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Web_browser_usage_share.svg

Since IE users are exclusively Windows users they may want to reconsider.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Operating_system_usage_share.svg

I wonder if the executives now in charge of Valve Software are former merchant bankers 
from Wall Street. They have such a great business track record.

[1] Hmmm...I wonder if IE will run on Linux under WINE.


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re: Yet another company hates Internet Exploder
Sunday, February 28, 2010 at 10:13 pm
Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted)

Arminius wrote:
|Sounds to me like they may be cutting their own throats[...]
|Since IE users are exclusively Windows users they may want to reconsider.
|
I can't imagine why.
I've posted the link here many times showing the Acid3 test results.
Even the "best" IE is total junk compared to what is next in line.

The *only* reason that IE still has any traction
is because some[1] corporate intranets depend on M$-specific junk.
If you're playing games at work, I'd say there are bigger issues to worry about.
On your home computer, it's duck soup to install a better browser.

...and the useage stats for the general public don't hold up WRT gamers.

|I wonder if IE will run on Linux under WINE.
|
Not only is it possible, you can install as many versions of IE as you want.[2]
Developers have been using this this trick for years
to see how their work looks under the several crappy browsers M$ released
(with each version of Internet Exploder rendering the code differently).

...and again:
Spoofing your stuff doesn't cure the issue that the stuff you are using is crap
and won't handle the newer extensions to the HTML, XHTML, CSS... specs.


[1] ...specified by clueless business types
who apparently were sleeping the day their schools covered "vendor lock-in".

[2] Just try that with a M$ OS.

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re: Yet another company hates Internet Exploder
Monday, March 1, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Posted by Arminius (334 messages posted)

|The *only* reason that IE still has any traction
|is because some[1] corporate intranets depend on M$-specific junk.
|If you're playing games at work, I'd say there are bigger issues to worry about.
|On your home computer, it's duck soup to install a better browser.
I don't know about that. I know a number of non-technically minded computer users 
who still only use IE as their browser.

They also turn their noses up at free office suites like Open Office and would rather 
pay to get Microsoft Office. The mindset is "if it is free it couldn't be any good 
or the people who make it would be charging for it".

I would say brand recognition and habituation also have a role to play in their decisions.

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re: Yet another company hates Internet Exploder
Monday, March 1, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted)

Arminius wrote:
|I know a number of non-technically minded computer users who[...]
|also turn their noses up at free office suites like Open Office
|and would rather pay to get Microsoft Office.
|
Those are the peopleidiots you see sending others *.DOCXs
(i.e. not bright enough to change the default Save format[1] of Word 2007).

|The mindset is "if it is free it couldn't be any good
|or the people who make it would be charging for it".
|
Ah, the ugly face of consumerism
aka people with too much money and not enough sense.

|I would say brand recognition and habituation
|also have a role to play in their decisions.
|
Those *could* stand on their own
(if you ignore the whole infection thing identified ONLY with *that* brand)
but it could easily be characterized as ignorance and passive consumerism.


[1] ...the inclusion of which a court recently declared to be
in violation of i4i's "intellectual property" rights.
M$ has been having to remove it from their products since early this year.

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re: Yet another company hates Internet Exploder
Tuesday, March 2, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted)

Arminius wrote:
|I know a number of non-technically minded computer users who[...]
|also turn their noses up at free office suites like Open Office
|and would rather pay to get Microsoft Office.
|
|The mindset is "if it is free it couldn't be any good
|or the people who make it would be charging for it".
|
A recent item points out how mindless that "mindset" is: 
from the Usenet Archive:
Nearly 60 Percent Of (payware) Apps Fail First Security Test
(In contrast, note how the Free(dom) Software did.)

...and that reminded me of an older item
which shows how the predjudice against FOSS belies the facts:
"Coverity Study Ranks LAMP Code Quality"
cache 
of  http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3589361

There is no substitute for peer review of code.
cache 
of  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus'_Law#Linus.27_Law_according_to_Eric_S._Raymond

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re: Yet another company hates Internet Exploder
Saturday, March 6, 2010 at 6:57 pm
Posted by dhm (1069 messages posted)

"Ah, the ugly face of consumerism aka people with too much money and not enough sense."

I think it was in Vance Packard's 1957 book The Hidden Persuaders. While vodka is defined by the FDA as nothing but distilled water and pure grain alcohol, people have preferences, pretending they can taste a difference. Smirnov Vodka increased its price which increased its unit sales. People thought it had to be better because it cost more.

That is ironic considering the Russian name. Smirny means humble in Russion and the OV ending is masculine genitive plural so Smirnov means "of the humble men". Or as I freely translate it from Russian it means "Bubba's White Lightnin'".

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re: Yet another company hates Internet Exploder
Sunday, March 7, 2010 at 10:35 am
Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted)

gewg_ wrote:
||consumerism

dhm wrote:
|While vodka is defined by the FDA
|as nothing but distilled water and pure grain alcohol,
|people have preferences, pretending they can taste a difference.
|
...then there's bottled water which has NO standards
as opposed to municipal tap water which has to meet stringent standards.
It's obvious that humans and sheep have a common lineage.

|Smirnov Vodka increased its price which increased its unit sales.
|
Yup.  Dead on target here.

|"Bubba's White Lightnin'".
|
8-)

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